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J Scott's avatar

Aristotle would appreciate the attempt.

Considering how hard he worked to build his ideas and demonstrate them, people treat them as the only answer. He would know most people are unable to do dialectic.

Rounding the circle of Gods power, free will, and primary/secondary cause is noble. It is a huge undertaking.

Humans are a small container trying to contain parts of the infinite. Insisting one can hold the whole infinite in mind or it is not true is a real Enlightenment trip.

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This is a solid set of conditions and here are some thoughts. My perspective is reasoned inductively in my Ontological Hierarchy and recognizes the necessity of a trans-temporal Ultimate Reality bound to the Apprehensible by a constinctive Logos. This isn’t the place to recap; the point is 6.1, 6.2, and 6.4 are not just defensible, they’re necessary given the nature of reality as we can know it. Regarding 6.4, the sequential nature of time accommodates the essential differences between its material, lives experience and its abstract mathematical properties and the grounding non-sequential nature of God. Our own temporal existence is a constraint on us, not on ontology in its fullness - Kant had it backwards when he posited the created determining the creator.

I deliberately avoided the explicitly theological other than to acknowledge the necessity of semiotic filtration in communication - representation - and that Truth is the measure of representational fidelity and not the inverse. Faith being a distinct but related epistemological mode from logic or observation. However, Christianity as articulated in the Bible is the only coherent faith that conforms to the logical necessities of reality as we can apprehend it. 6.3 follows if theology is taken literally as understanding of God qua God and not one groups dogmatic assumptions. As a subset, if logic or observation are valid then non-contradiction across the parametric hierarchy follows.

6.5 is consistent with what we can apprehend and infer of God, although I’m less certain that we can establish binding constraints from our epistemological vantage point. I’m also not sure that matters, since our temporalized, fallen, representationally filtered perspective isn’t transcendable. I can’t conceptualize what unsequenced reality would “be”, but I can apprehend conditions on God’s operations within the limits of His Creation.

6.6 seeing isn’t determining is absolutely correct. The existence of evil and the Fall both require free will in some capacity. Dolts who hold this to absurd absolutes misrepresent the nature of constrained or parameterized choice.

6.7 Divine simplicity as a question is a reflection of our limits of our apprehension and representationally filtered nature. God as we can know Him does not appear simple. What He is as an uncreated ur-ground is beyond definition since “definition” as a concept is ontologically downstream from its necessary precondition. Empirical opacity is consistent with this downstream position.

6.8 is elegantly chiastic but as stated defines God in our terms. The relationship seems reciprocal but asymmetric to me. It’s a short point that doesn’t accommodate the fundamental ontological differences that the other points do.

That’s sufficient here. FWIW, building in the theological is a fundamentally important step.

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